Fire/Rescue Contract Talks Postponed for Another Month
Posted by PBCTAB on October 17, 2011 · 4 Comments
For the county:
Steven Jerauld
Appointed to the top Fire/Rescue position in 2009, Chief Jerauld came up through the ranks. He participated in the last contract negotiations as Deputy Chief of Operations.
Robert L. Norton
Partner in the firm Allen, Norton & Blue, P.A. which calls themselves “The Management Labor & Employment Firm”, Robert Noyce has 38 years of practice in Labor and Employment law. He holds a JD from the University of Florida Levin College of Law and a BS from U Florida. Mr. Norton negotiated the previous contract for the county in 2009.
For the IAFF
Michael J. Mayo
President Mayo is a longtime leader of IAFF Local 2928 Fire/Rescue union and has negotiated prior contracts with the county as well as municipalities in the area.
Matthew J Mierzwa
Mr. Mierzwa, Local 2928 Legal Council, is the principal of Mierzwa & Assoc. PA. which represents labor organizations, employee benefit plans and union members in the areas of labor law, benefit law, election law, and individual employment rights throughout the State of Florida. He holds a JD from the University of Miami School of Law and undergraduate degrees in Economics from Harvard and studied industrial and labor relations at Cornell.
So – where do we stand? The current contract expired at the end of September. There have been 6 contract negotiation meetings so far – of which 3 were 1/2 day and 3 were purportedly all day – or at least most of a day. Only a handful of the 47 articles (ie. chapters) have been signed-off, although most have at least been mentioned in the course of the 5 months elapsed time.
Observations: The meetings continue to be stylized. These are not negotiations in the common usage of the word. One side’s attorney (typically management) describes the change sought from the current contract. The other side’s attorney (typically the union) says ‘yes’ or more likely ‘no’. Occasionally there will be a few words of correction or acknowledgement from the 6+ representatives on each side. But more often, not. After several articles are discussed, the meeting breaks up in order that the sides (typically the union) can ‘caucus’. They come back and say ‘no’ and do not offer a tangible counter-proposal. There is no real discussion. There don’t seem to be minutes from prior meetings so topics are re-hashed. The difficult topics – eg pay plan, have not yet been broached.
Having come from only the private sector (with professional/white collar, hourly/blue collar, management/non-management) experience, negotiations on anything usually began with a summation of what was/wasn’t agreed to previously, and significant discussion would occur amongst those with the power to negotiate. Points of agreement would be compiled, points of disagreement would be clear and then, if necessary, the meeting would break up briefly to come to closure on a particular point. Perhaps what we’re observing is typical of all public sector negotations, we really don’t know. It does seem to be very inefficient to rehash the same things multiple times without at least noting what points were at issue.
Perhaps the problem is that the process is being observed. When we asked one of those who was present at the last contract talks in 2009 if this was “typical” of the process, it was suggested that our presence may be having an effect on the meetings. As one of the commissioners has told us on several occasions, government works best when it is being observed. Since this is the first time (to our knowledge) that members of the public have attended a Fire/Rescue union contract negotiation, perhaps the normal “give and take” of the sessions is being inhibited by the fact we are reporting what we observe. Think how things would change if these meetings were televised!
Is inefficiency necessary to good government? When not conducted in the sunlight, would a contract negotiated between a union and management that used to belong to the union have the same outcome? The taxpayer does not sit at this table. Neither does any commissioner, the elected taxpayer’s representatives. All we can do is observe and report.
Joking during the last meeting, when the scheduling of the next round was discussed, the union attorney suggested that it be on Thanksgiving Day because all would be paid extra to do so. What they did decide to do was to schedule the next round of meetings for November 22 and 23rd, the Tuesday and Wednesday of Thanksgiving week, a time when many members of the community are traveling or spending time with family. Maybe they expect to have a clear field on those days.
Funny….. when the elite 1% (Tea Party Sponsors) were asked to increase their contribution to society just a little bit to help with the economy, their reply was F*** NO!! THEY CONSIDER THAT CLASS WARFARE…. just sayin’.
In your article you suggest that our presence at these negotiations has perhaps inhibited the natural give and take that took place before TAB was there. Then you say, “Think how things would change if a TV camera were in the room.” If these negotiators clam up with just one TAB member there, why would you think a TV camera would make them more voluble when perhaps thousands would be looking in?
In any case thank you for your coverage of the negotiations and for the excellent profiles of the main participants. If these folks convene in the afternoon of Nov. 22 and 23, I’ll be there!
Once again F/R wants what it wants and the tax payers be dammed. where do they think the money comes from?
Taxs are going up , my insurance is going wages are going down everywhere .. Lets get the TV coverage. Ill vote agains anyone one who agreeds to their contact. I say lets out source.
I’m headed back to Afghanistan for my 3rd tour (go Rangers). I do what I do because I want to!! Hey firefighters, please don’t tell me how rough you got it. You’re overpaid and there’s NO shortage of people waiting in reserve to take your spot. They will do your job just as well, and for a fraction of the pay. “Almost three-fourths of the nation’s 1.1. million firefighters are volunteers, and two-thirds of all fire departments are volunteer.”
America is suffering from a gratitude killing disease called entitlement, which leads to greed. I have a wife and 2 kids, make $30,355 a year, oh, and I supervise a crew of 24. PBCFR, I welcome any one of you to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with me, or anyone in my unit, and explain how you deserve a higher salary.